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January 24th, 2010
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A Democracy on Trial for its Life
What would you say about a "democracy" in which there was a pressing political issue, about which existed several main opinions, and one of those opinions was outlawed? In which a man was elected to office promising to advocate that opinion, did so, and was then arrested for expressing that opinion publicly?

Would this be a real democracy, in the liberal sense of the word? Remember, the whole strength of a democracy is that it avoids coups, rebellions and civil wars by allowing a free and open exchange of political ideas, giving everyone a chance to convince everyone of the superiority of those ideas. Thus, those who would be dictators, rebels or secessionists instead devote their energies to this public debate, and if they can convince enough people that their ideas are better, they get to put their policies into effect.

A democracy in which a major idea was outlawed, in which merely speaking in favor of it was illegal, would surely be less than democratic. Those who believed this idea would (rightly) feel oppressed, and those who led them would realize that there was no legitimate way to promulgate them. The "democracy" would, if the idea was a popular one, now be at risk of coup, rebellion or civil war, when those who believed the outlawed idea turned to violence as the only way to even have a chance of achieving their ends -- becaue the State had previously initiated force and the threat of force against them.


In the person of Geert Wilders, Dutch democracy is now on trial. If he is convicted, it will be not merely the beginning of the end, but perhaps the effective end of liberal democracy in the Netherlands.

Think I'm exaggerating? Geert Wilders is an elected representative of the Dutch people, who has been charged with "hate speech" because he expressed an opinion on how to deal with the problem of massive unassimilated immigrant populations -- moreover, an opinion which is highly popular with the Dutch people themselves.

If Geert Wilders is convicted, it will show that it is impossible to advocate or work for that position -- that Islam is a menace to Dutch society -- through legal democratic means. What then, will those who still agree with him (punishing Wilders won't, after all, disprove any of his theories, and may popularize them), do next? What could they do next, other than prepare for an "extraconstitutional excursion" (which is to say coup, revolution or civil war)?

The matter is made even worse by the fact that the Dutch are applying their "hate speech" laws very selectively -- and against the self-interest of the native Dutch. Islamists, of course, constantly violate the relevant statutes, in their speech against Christians, Jews, women and homosexuals -- indeed, in many cases the Muslim speech would count as simple "incitement to violence," since they frequently follow it up with actual physical attacks against members of those groups. Yet it is not prosecuted as "hate speech," and often not even the violent actions are prosecuted.


If this man goes to prison, it is the end of democracy in his country. Not immediately -- there will still be elections and there will still be legislative debates and the passage of laws according to the approved procedures. But, increasingly, these procedures will have less and less to do with the real mechanisms by which power is exercised and decisions made there -- and, eventually, the mobs will march and the tanks will roll, and then there will be not merely hate "speech" but hate "action," by both sides, on a scale not seen in that part of the world for over half a century.

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From:kishiriadgr
Date:January 24th, 2010 07:16 pm (UTC)
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It'd be helpful for you to post a link. Here's one:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481665,00.html

I agree with you that this is very, very troubling. I'm troubled by his wanting to ban "all non-western immigrants" (India? Thailand?) but this feeling of distaste pales in me before him being put on trial for his self-expression.
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From:sanscouronne
Date:January 24th, 2010 07:40 pm (UTC)
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I, too, am disturbed and alarmed by this and by most "hate speech" related legislation. Considering the growing popularity of Mr. Wilders' party, I think it moreover imprudent to attack a man whose views resonate with so many Dutch citizens.
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From:polaris93
Date:January 24th, 2010 08:44 pm (UTC)
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Yes, this is definitely scary. No matter which way his trial goes, this bodes ill for the rest of Europe, which is becoming PC to the point of madness, at least in terms of what the various European governments and intellectual elites are doing. Geert Wilders may or may not be taking his case too far, i.e., banning all non-Westerners from immigration into Europe, but he certainly has a point when he criticizes current European policies concerning immigrants (e.g., not requiring them to assimilate, etc.). That his sentiments are echoed by the Dutch people themselves and the Dutch government still has him on trial for saying what he has said is terrifying. It shows that the Dutch government is out of its collective mind. What the hell has happened to Europe, anyway?
From:(Anonymous)
Date:January 25th, 2010 06:47 am (UTC)

What the hell has happened to Europe, anyway?

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Europe?

Do you mean the future Islamic Republic of Eurostan?
From:operations
Date:January 25th, 2010 11:52 pm (UTC)

Re: What the hell has happened to Europe, anyway?

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No, because the new Holy Roman Empire will take over before that happens, via Germany yet again, which will lead to a real world War between the EU and the Islamic States of the Middle East.

If you read the Bible.

Scary thing is, I'm NOT religious by any stretch, yet, I can't help but notice how close to true that shit is becoming.
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From:jordan179
Date:January 26th, 2010 01:42 am (UTC)

Re: What the hell has happened to Europe, anyway?

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This is actually quite plausible. Because the Muslim settlement of Europe is taking the form of direct physical attacks and insults directed against the Europeans -- especially their younger generation -- the Muslim immigrants are stirring up far more than the normal degree of resentment against immigrant minorities. It is likely that, when the backlash is let loose, it will be quite vicious, possibly to a level where the Muslims will be less concerned about being allowed to stay than they will about being able to escape.
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From:ccdesan
Date:January 24th, 2010 09:54 pm (UTC)
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Cogent, germane and thought-provoking. The ongoing attempts of the Islamic radicals to Islamize whatever society they infest is, to my way of thinking, a greater threat than Communism ever was, and I see the beginnings of it in my own society, read loudly and clearly "CAIR". May the Dutch courts come to the correct decision.
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From:brezhnev
Date:January 25th, 2010 10:25 am (UTC)
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Finally, they have a voice of reason in the government! After his legal difficulties are over, may getting rid of these stupid PC speech laws be high on the agenda.
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