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On the Milwaukee Riots - jordan179
August 14th, 2016
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On the Milwaukee Riots

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From:robby
Date:August 14th, 2016 06:17 pm (UTC)
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You're coming across pretty harshly. I'm not sure any shooting is ever a "good shooting", and the police should keep order, but the most effective riot control tactics probably aren't to break heads or kill riotors.
From:galadrion
Date:August 14th, 2016 06:27 pm (UTC)
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I'm not sure - dead rabble-rousing rioters have a zero recidivism rate. Certainly, give them an opportunity to back down, but once someone is voluntarily participating in a breakdown of civilization, they need to face the consequences of that act of barbarism. Not for their sake, but for the sake of the civilization they attempted to sack.

So perhaps I'm a little less hard-line on this than Jordan is, but I'm still right up there with him. These people need to be arrested, tried, and serve whatever sentence their crimes earn them. And if they resist arrest and are, as a result, killed, then that is the consequence of their own choices and actions, and no blame should attach to the defenders of civilization. Any "activist" who tries to blame the police and legal system for doing their jobs is a willing accessory, aiding and abetting the barbarians, and needs to be held equally culpable.
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From:robby
Date:August 14th, 2016 06:51 pm (UTC)
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Oh here come all the internet tough guys! There are probably 100,000 guns in that part of Milwaukee. Do you want a week long urban gun battle? The police have effective tactics, so let them work them, so to minimize the violence to all concerned.
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From:ford_prefect42
Date:August 14th, 2016 11:43 pm (UTC)
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If one party is bent on murder, than one could easily argue that "minimizing violence" is to let yourself be killed.

"Minimizing violence" is not always the most desirable outcome. Particularly in a case like this where those committing the current violence have no interest in peace, and instead will just be waiting for the next opportunity to commit violence.

It's kind of a question of long term peace versus short term peace. Or, looked at differently, "Dane geld". We're buying temporary peace at the price that we allow animals to loot, pillage, burn, steal, and assault against civilization itself. Better to "have it out" now, because it'll only be worse next time.
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From:robby
Date:August 14th, 2016 11:50 pm (UTC)
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So you guys think it's time to start an extermination process? Count me out of the Fourth Reich.
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From:ford_prefect42
Date:August 14th, 2016 11:52 pm (UTC)
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I would *happily* exterminate anyone that attempted to beat me, steal my things, or burn down my home. Would you not?

I find your godwinization to be quite laughable.
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From:robby
Date:August 14th, 2016 11:57 pm (UTC)
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I'm out of here.
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From:ford_prefect42
Date:August 15th, 2016 12:00 am (UTC)
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Well, it ain't like you were contributing anything of value before.
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From:ford_prefect42
Date:August 15th, 2016 12:08 am (UTC)
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So, wait a minute, are you saying that you have a problem with defending yourself, your loved ones, and your property?
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From:banner
Date:August 15th, 2016 12:18 am (UTC)
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He's a troll or a coward. Possibly both.
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From:jordan179
Date:August 16th, 2016 11:16 am (UTC)
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Shooting violent criminals to keep them from burning down your city is genocide?
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From:harvey_rrit
Date:August 16th, 2016 05:03 pm (UTC)
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It's anti-barbarian, you effete civilized person!
From:galadrion
Date:August 16th, 2016 08:58 pm (UTC)
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So you guys think it's time to start an extermination process?

You're addressing this question to the wrong people. From their actions (and "By their fruits you shall know them"), the rioters clearly do believe this. So try again; this is another failed attempt to blame anyone other than the real perpetrator(s).
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From:banner
Date:August 15th, 2016 12:17 am (UTC)
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Yup, I want a week long gun battle. Though it really won't last that long. After the first dozen or so are shot, the rest will run away like the cowards they are.
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From:jordan179
Date:August 16th, 2016 11:15 am (UTC)
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Indeed ... there's no reaason to assume that the mobs attacked Milwaukee because they were brave, and every reason to assume that they did so because the Mayor was weak. BLM picks easy targets.

Can't blame them for this -- that's what terrorists do.
From:galadrion
Date:August 15th, 2016 10:48 am (UTC)
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Ah, an ad hominem attack, buttressed with a "slippery slope" argument. There are probably 100,000 guns in that part of Milwaukee. To counter that, there are probably more than a quarter-million guns around Dallas. How many week-long urban battles have there been in that part of country? How many riots, in fact? Clearly, this is a red herring approach.

An "internet tough guy", eh? Well, if that's the label which gets placed on a person who believes that actions should have consequences, then count me in. You don't want to know the label I consider your approach worthy of.

Edited at 2016-08-15 10:50 am (UTC)
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From:jordan179
Date:August 16th, 2016 10:24 am (UTC)
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We're such "internet tough guys," asking for the laws to be enforced! What a radically-violent propsed policy!

There are probably 100,000 guns in that part of Milwaukee.

Are there 100 thousand rebels willing to use those guns to fight people who are shooting back at them? Or are you envisioning the guns getting up on their hind legs and fighting of their own accord?

Do you want a week long urban gun battle?

If it's necessary to stop the rioters from burning down whole neighborhoods and turning them into "no go" zones for whites and police officers ... YES!. Each dead rioters is one who will never riot again.

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From:allaboutweather
Date:August 16th, 2016 01:09 pm (UTC)
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It's sad that enforcing the law is now considered "being radical" and "racist". :(

If the BLM thugs ate lead, that'll reduce their recidivism rate to zero. ;)
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From:jordan179
Date:August 16th, 2016 10:21 am (UTC)
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Killing a fleeing armed criminal is justifiable: the armed criminal may attack other citizens if allowed to escape. And the riot leaders are traveling from city to city helping to foment riots. Allowed to run free, their actions will cause untold destruction ... and death.

This is happening because Obama has abdicated his role in putting down interstate crime, and appointed two black racists in succession to head the Justice Department. Normally, the FBI would be arresting people committing such crimes across state lines.
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From:kitten_goddess
Date:August 18th, 2016 05:31 pm (UTC)
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Jordan, please provide a source for your assertion that rioters are actually traveling from place to place to start trouble. Citation, please.
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From:kharmii
Date:August 18th, 2016 05:50 pm (UTC)
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-milwaukee-police-shooting-protests-20160814-story.html

The Chicago Tribune has been doing stories claiming that the riots didn't start until the Chicago Communist Party moved in. Locals have said that they thought it was outsiders, including a man who worked at an Auto Zone that was burned down for no reason. He said, "I have rent and bills to pay, but now I'm out of a job."
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