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On the Milwaukee Riots - jordan179
August 14th, 2016
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On the Milwaukee Riots

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From:ford_prefect42
Date:August 14th, 2016 11:58 pm (UTC)
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As opposed to having your city sacked by barbarians? Yeah. Police state *sucks*, but it's not the absolute worst thing, killing those that loot stores, beat the innocent, and burn down city blocks is by *far* preferable to letting them have free reign and even rewarding such behavior!
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From:xiphias
Date:August 15th, 2016 01:43 am (UTC)
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And yet, the reason for the Second Amendment is to allow Americans to be able to push back on their police in that manner to keep the government from getting too powerful.
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From:ford_prefect42
Date:August 15th, 2016 03:02 am (UTC)
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correct. And I would absolutely be supporting BLM *IF* any of their rallying cries fact checked. But they don't. Black people aren't killed inappropriately by the police more than anyone else.

There is literally no metric, when controls are applied that indicates that the US suffers from racist *anywhere* in the justice system.

I am judging BLM, not on the violence, violence is a tool, the legitimacy of the application of which depends on the rightness of your cause. BLM has no righteous cause.
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From:xiphias
Date:August 15th, 2016 03:11 am (UTC)
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Your argument is that it's okay if the police shoot non-legitimate targets so long as they illegally kill people of all races equally? Seriously?

Set aside the race issue entirely, then. That means that we have a pattern of police killing unarmed people. Many Black, many Latino, many White.

Does it actually make it okay if they shoot 80% unarmed White folks and 12% unarmed Black folks and 8% unarmed Latino folks, or whatever? I don't know the numbers of the racial makeup of the United States off the top of my head. But let's say that the ethnic makeup of the people murdered by police exactly matches the percentages of the society as a whole.

Does that make it okay? Or does it mean that there is an injustice that affects you, too, but only BLM is standing up for you?
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From:ford_prefect42
Date:August 15th, 2016 03:13 am (UTC)
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Straw man is straw.

Although... Expecting the police to be perfect is stupid. So, yes, the occasional screw-up is to be expected, and doesn't indicate a problem if the offenders are disciplined. Which they have been in every case that I have seen.

Edited at 2016-08-15 03:13 am (UTC)
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From:ford_prefect42
Date:August 15th, 2016 03:21 am (UTC)
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(Note here, all the statistics I am about to say are approximate, and from my memory. If they're wrong by some factor, that's not surprising, and has no impact on the validity of the point.)

Also, it's a fact that the people shot by police are not proportional to the populaces. However, the expectation that they would be is poorly thought through. Black people in the US represent 13% of the population, but commit almost 50% of the murders... They also kill 50% of the police, 50% of the rapes, 50% of the robberies, etcetera. Is it surprising, given that that they would be 50% of the police kills? Or 50% of the incarcerated citizens? No.

Which is why the rage against police by BLM is so egregiously wrong. there's no reason to think that the police are doing anything but what they are supposed to, arresting perpetrators, and keeping order.

The problem with the black community in the US is NOT one of policing. In my opinion, it's a 3 part issue. 1) perverse incentives in the social safety net, such that "getting a job" is not actually a paying proposition for a low-skilled individual. 2) the drug war creating a very lucrative black marketplace. and 3) a very large amount of defeatist propoganda foisted on them by poverty pimps.

Edited at 2016-08-15 03:24 am (UTC)
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From:jordan179
Date:August 16th, 2016 11:13 am (UTC)
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Black Americans as a community (not individually) seem unable to grasp that if you treat being a criminal as an acceptable life path, you're going to have higher numbers of people be criminals -- and, consequently, wind up dead or in prison.
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From:jordan179
Date:August 16th, 2016 10:30 am (UTC)
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That's not what happened. They shot an armed suspect who was fleeing from the police.

Then, black racist mobs attacked the city.
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From:jordan179
Date:August 16th, 2016 11:04 am (UTC)
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Or does it mean that there is an injustice that affects you, too, but only BLM is standing up for you?

Given that BLM is a racist, intolerant and arguably fascist organization, it's not standing up for anyone who isn't black. Nor is it standing up for blacks who dissent against it.
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From:allaboutweather
Date:August 16th, 2016 10:52 pm (UTC)
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They're not standing up to anyone. They're only feigning outrage for black "victims" of white cops just to push their agenda and loot, riot, and commit violence without consequence knowing that the media and the useful idiots on the left will always side with them.

People like Al and Jesse are profiting off this too. They only care about financial gain.

When the races are reversed or if it's a black on black crime, they're silent to where you could hear a pin drop.
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